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Gail mentioned the slippery slope. But it’s not like we can’t build a berm. Speech with sufficient potential to cause violence should be limited. Yes, those being violent should be persecuted, but those who even accidentally say something that could be reasonably expected to have a sufficient chance of harm as a result should also be on the hook.

It’s hard where we need to balance “safety first” (so, no potential chance at all of violence because of what someone said) with “free speech.” A letter to one’s representative that’s shared with no others might just get a form-letter response, and no consideration otherwise. In that case, you might need to rile up some others to elicit the change you seek. But if it makes sense that someone that heard you would think it appropriate to go camp out in front of a justice’s house, well, you might have to answer for that.

I’m not sure if we can have a “violence is always wrong” rule. Maybe we kinda do, other than in self-defense (and if someone’s not complying with law enforcement)? It’d kinda be a bother to always have to state explicitly when complaining about something that any response of violence is completely out of the question. Aren’t we at least that smart?

Gunnar had an Orwell quote that got me thinking. I do think slander is always wrong. But I also think people should be able to talk about hearsay, about seeing someone where they weren’t expecting them and taking a guess at why they were there. But when someone unfairly starts getting discredited, that kind of annoys me, and I think those perpetrating the rumor should at least have to eat some humble pie. Also, while liberty would be to be able to tell anyone anything – and I think our elected officials should have to take all of it – I think if you’re letting someone else have it and they say “stop,” well, if you don’t stop, shouldn’t that be classified as verbal assault or something?

And back to how Gunnar kinda started the article with the story of the attack on Salman Rushdie, yes, our courts sit back quite a bit on what people say, but vigilante justice – violent or otherwise – is real. I would think we as a free-speech-loving society should be less tolerant of the attacks on those sharing than on those sharing. How do we evolve societally without the free expression of opinion?

[I look forward to the feedback to what I just shared. Please help me be less wrong.]

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Gail's avatar

This is a great reflection. Limiting free speech could be a slippery slope. Yet can we not be intelligent enough to distinguish between an opinion we own and aggressively trying to influence others. I was very struck with the personal responsibility bit. For example every one of those involved in the US Capitol riot is personally responsible in my mind. Yes trump incited and invited but each person executed according to their values and beliefs and intentions. Not all of them bad or evil. But their own.

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